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  • 1.  Gun Play

    Posted 04-06-2023 07:49 AM

    Hello,

    We have a child who is very focused on gun play.  He squints one eye and points his fingers at people like a gun, runs around the room making machine gun noises, and will tell people to duck because there's a bomb.  The teacher has tried talking to his mom, and she says "That's what boys do."  He has teenage brothers, and I would imagine they are probably playing violent video games around him.  Does anyone have suggestions for how to redirect this behavior?  



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    Elizabeth Weller
    Director
    Park Place Children's Center
    Anderson IN
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  • 2.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-06-2023 09:00 AM

    Violent play can be so controversial. I have always found it very challenging to follow the research on violent fantasy play but also respect the ideologies and morality of the teachers, the families that make up the classroom, and the center's policies. There are a lot of emotions attached to guns, especially in a school setting. 

    The research says we should allow children to engage in healthy fantasy violence. I think we also need to be mindful of what is fantasy violence and what is aggression. It sounds aggressive that he is doing this to other children who may not be interested in this play. You could try redirecting him to only aiming at targets. Or ask the child what is playing. Is it from a video game or a movie? Are there other behavioral concerns? 

    I really think redirection is your best option here, like only playing this type of game with children who want to play and only aiming at targets, not people. 



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    Natalie Collins
    Education Specialist
    Full Heart Child Care
    Rochester NY
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  • 3.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-07-2023 08:44 AM
    In today's world it is important to have a good conversation with children regarding gun play. What is ok with one family member may not be ok with others. A child is a child and learn from what is present in the environment that they live. The learning center is a place to open their eyes to new ways to play games that are meaningful and support learning in a positive way. Taking what he is doing and give him a chance to explain why he is doing it and then share with him at his level how he can make a better choice in playing. Model for him what child play can look like. Hope this helps





  • 4.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-22-2023 08:11 AM

    As a toddler and preschool aged child, I grew up with a father who went hunting every season, then as an elementary school aged child, then adolescent, a stepfather who had a collection in our home. I knew School was not a place for these. We never even brought it up at school among friends, educators. I knew the guns were my father's. I do not believe "The research says we should allow children to engage in healthy fantasy violence." These words don't belong together. Children, healthy, yes. Children, healthy, violence: no. I'm disappointed about this on many levels, but our children deserve to not have harmful artifacts, gestures that belong to adults in their learning spaces. At some juncture, my fathers taught me this. I'm grateful. 



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    Laurie Ware
    Director
    NM
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  • 5.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-24-2023 11:55 AM

    What is concerning to me as well is the term "healthy fantasy violence".  What is healthy fantasy violent play?  What does this actually mean?  Is this a category to which we can place what is considered violent, such as gun play, wrestling, boxing, rough housing?  Would these types of activities be considered violent in themselves or violent when children engage in them particularly at school? Can anyone help me to understand healthy fantasy violent play, if there is such a thing?   Thanks!



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    Janice Baston
    PA
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  • 6.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-25-2023 09:41 PM

    For another perspective you might want to check out  Samuel Broaden of Honoring Childhood. He offers a  course on Weapons and Risky Play. You can also find him on YouTube speaking on the importance of weapon play.



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    Margery Heyl
    IL
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  • 7.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-26-2023 12:18 AM

    Another research-based resource is Susan Linn's new book, Who's Raising the Kids? : Big Tech, Big Business and the Lives of Children.



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    Joyce Daniels
    Adjunct Instructor
    Folsom Lake College
    Sacramento Valley, Ca
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  • 8.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-24-2023 03:17 PM

    What is concerning to me as well, is the term "healthy fantasy violence".  What is healthy fantasy violent play?  What does this actually mean?  Is this a category to which we can place what is considered violent, such as gun play, wrestling, boxing, rough housing, hitting and other forms of violence that is seen on television, video games or certain careers?  Would these types of activities be considered violent in themselves or violent when children engage in them particularly at school? Can anyone help me to understand healthy fantasy violent play, if there is such a thing?   Thanks!



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    Janice Baston
    PA
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  • 9.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-07-2023 10:30 AM

    Hi,

    We have always had, even before school shootings became has horrific as they are now, a policy of "no guns at school, real or pretend." So, when see this behavior, it happened yesterday with wooden train tracks, I say, "no pretend guns allowed at school." My kids have always then redirected themselves to a different pretend scenario.

    Janette Phelan

    Kindergarten



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  • 10.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-15-2023 01:50 PM

    Hello Janette,

    As I was reading the original question, I was thinking exactly what you wrote. "No play guns at school" is a simple blanket statement to protect the emotional safety of all of the children.  We can put this notice in school policy and reminders in our newsletters. What the family plays at home is their choice but, at school it isn't part of a safe climate.

    Deb Martinez



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    Deb Martinez
    Clinical Professor, ECE, ELEM, SPED
    Arizona State University
    Phoenix AZ
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  • 11.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-07-2023 11:09 AM

    You don't mention the age of the child here, and I think that may change how you respond.  One thing that I have done in the past, if a child was wanting to play guns and other children did not like it, was bring that to the whole class as a discussion.  This was with 4, 5, and 6-year-olds.  I stated the problem, that some of them wanted to play guns and other children did not like to play or have someone pretend shoot them.  Then I asked them what we could do to solve this problem.  At that point I would facilitate the discussion mostly by repeating their ideas until a consensus is reached.  We would write that down and follow it.  Not only does this give the children practice in problem-solving, but models how to listen to each other, and they take ownership of the solution because it was their solution.  Of course, as the teacher you would make sure their solution fits within any other classroom rules that you may have.     



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    Jodie Bridges
    Early Childhood Education Practicum Coordinator
    College of Southern Idaho
    Twin Falls ID
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  • 12.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-10-2023 07:54 AM

    I apologize for the oversight in mentioning the child's age.  He is 4!  



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    Elizabeth Weller
    Director
    Park Place Children's Center
    Anderson IN
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  • 13.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-08-2023 11:12 AM

    Hello,
    I am hoping for new research on gun play and its intersection with persons of color and other marginalized groups and their children. Today, we are bringing much more to the table when discussing how we respond to gun play among young children. I ask, "What is the value of using guns, pretend or real?" "How do real real guns compare with other weapons?" "What is our cultural narrative around who uses guns and who is choosing not to use guns?" I think the question isn't "Do we allow fantasy violence?" I suggest we ask ourselves, "Do we support the narrative of white men or other groups using guns to gain power?" While I believe children need to process their fears and hopes through play, I do not believe that pretend guns are an essential part of that process. I also hope to hear from POC teachers on this subject.
    Thanks so much for reaching out!



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    Christine Bizzell
    Co-lead teacher
    Wild Lilac Child Developent Center
    Portland OR
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  • 14.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-09-2023 09:35 AM

    Where I live folks do a lot of hunting. When two boys started to play with "guns" I talked about hunting, and they turned it into a hunting game. They brought me what they had hunted (deer?). And one of them said, "Here. You're the butcher. You can process it for us." So he clearly was very familiar with deer hunting. (He is four years old.) I reminded them that they can never aim a gun at a person, not even in pretend play. They both nodded rather sagely.



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    Cathy McAuliffe, PhD
    *Coast Bend Chapter of TXAEYC Member
    *NorthWest Arkansas Community College Adjunct Professor
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  • 15.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-10-2023 07:43 AM
    When you hear the word banana, where does your brain go: to pratfall, potassium, or to the adult act that shares a little something in common with the word latch?
    When you hear the word research, where does your brain go: to control group; baking soda and vinegar volcanic simulation; or to countless hours spent thinking about babies and the 5 esses that culminate, decades later, in a decision by the FDA to certify the Snoo as a medical device?
    When we wish for more research about fantasy gun play, who should be in the control group: the sons and daughters of hunters; children who have experienced 3 practice lockdowns per year since they were babies; or the girl whose mother was from Colombia, and who loved to run around the classroom, calling out pashoo pashoo while pointing her finger at the daily schedule that hung on the wall?
    Is it important to record that the child was laughing, and that so were all the children who fell in behind her?
    What about the fact that the classroom rule was No Guns, Real or Otherwise?
    Fantasy gun play is a serious, complicated question, almost as serious and complicated as the issue of play being replaced by academics in the lives of young children, and the effects this has had, and is having, on children's lives and levels of anxiety.
    I'll end this list of questions with a story told by a child in year 17 of my research into story, play and children's thinking (because, in part, of Vivian Paley):
    Gussie, age 5: A bomb, a gun and a knife.
    Me: Is that what you want?
    But my mommy doesn't like it. So I want a different family. My mommy would drive me there. But she would pick me up. I will walk and they will get me a weapon. My gun won't be a real one that can hurts or kills people. It's just a Nerf one. I like to shoot the darts out. I like to press the button. If they make me sad I definitely throw a dart at them.
    But actually there's like this foam Nerf that the needle comes out. I just want to drive to a family that likes guns and get one. A Nerf gun. Like grownup people that like Nerf guns. But not real ones. Or five-year-olds. I've been thinking about them and I just like them.
    I came out of my mommy's belly that way.
    (Blows in my face.)
    I just want to give you some breath.

    Resa





  • 16.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-11-2023 09:18 AM

    This is a complicated issue. As a former military spouse, working in childcare on a military base, I can say that fantasy play involving weapons is something many children do. The children knew what their parents did in their work, to an extent. It is similar to children of police or security. If play is a way for children to investigate their own lives, actions and thoughts, careful consideration should be taken before limiting or eliminating  all such play. 
    Children act out what they feel and see. I do not support harmful play in any situation. Maybe the play can be guided to more of a "superhero" approach. 
    As a child, I played cops and robbers. I did not grow up to become either of those :)   
    The problem now, as I see it, is the knowledge young children have of violence from video games and other media. 
    I do not have children in my home anymore. However, all the weapons are locked away. When around the grandchildren, we discuss and model safety. 
    I feel there is a change in how we handle emotions, how we handle conflict resolution and a general lack of empathy or compassion within our larger society. 



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    Barbara Gingerich
    Ivy Tech
    Milner GA
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  • 17.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-11-2023 10:07 AM

    You bring up a good point. Since play is a way for children to investigate and understand their own lives, actions and thoughts, and those of others, their play will mirror or imitate their families' professions, those of whom they admire, and how they see themselves.  I agree, careful consideration should be taken before limiting or eliminating all such play.  Our approach to limit, eliminate, squash, degrade or even agree with this type of play may first need to be examined through our own lens of biases, perspectives, and agendas.  Think of the children who you work with.  Think about how it will effect them if we do not do it right.



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    Janice Baston
    Philadelphia PA
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  • 18.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-12-2023 09:07 AM

    This is just a good discussion. I prohibit gun play in my childcare as well as my home. Some saying it is part of their growth. Yet, so much is going on with guns.



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    Ms. Tamara L Red
    Owner / Provider
    Unlimited Red Expressions LLC
    (800) 585-0067
    Danville Illinois
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  • 19.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-12-2023 10:04 AM
    I found this topic for training on Child Care Aware:  Pursuing bad guys
    Barbara Gingerich
    Cell: 574-349-0783


    It is a happy talent to know how to play.

    RALPH WALDO EMERSON












  • 20.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-12-2023 11:04 AM
    I respect your decision to prohibit gun play, particularly what our country is dealing with these days with all the gun violence.  What strategies or methods do you use to keep the children in your program and home from engaging in gun play?  For example, do you state the policy and they know to shut the play down, or do you redirect the play to another type of play?  Again just interested in finding out what others' are doing to dea with gunplay.  






  • 21.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-13-2023 03:12 PM

    Hi all, this is such a relevant topic, for so many reasons. A few concepts have helped me navigate this issue.

    I began teaching in a school with a gun play prohibition and tried to use many of the redirection techniques mentioned, even going so far as to introduce a hugely popular medieval study, to help offer a setting for formalized weapon play. However, we found that the students were most captivated by food and art, so we followed our studies into the middle east and Africa to support that interest.

    Some gun play is imitative of the lived environment and observations children make in their home community including video games. In this case, it is probably wise to take the same approach we do with fire safety: invite a professional in to talk about gun safety. A fire station official explained to us that teaching young children about fire safety, including installing and checking smoke detectors is not about safety at school where there is already high compliance, but that children bring their learning home, and can engage their caregivers to take these safety steps.

    Developmentally, I see issues of power and anxiety. Even children who have not directly experienced danger, become aware of mortality, injury, and the horrible fact that caregivers can not protect them from everything. Reaching for the most powerful symbol of protection that our culture offers, can be seen in the context of this dawning awareness of vulnerability and powerlessness.

    Additionally, the young child is developing an independent sense of self, a sense of their own will, and at this very age we [caregivers] find their behavior most difficult. Temper tantrums, defiance, obstinance. We tend to respond with a lot of "no" and (to the child) annoying directives: don't cross the street without holding my hand, don't touch the stove, etc. To navigate this, I thought through the absolutely necessary no's, the bottom-line safety issues, and then looked for many ways to say yes and give choice. It is my job to help young children find authentic, situationally meaningful ways, not just ways I permit, to exert power and feel they can protect themselves and learn to live in a world of uncertainty.
     
    As for the actual gun play, we navigated this as all other disruptive types of play: we helped the group discuss the problem, supplied developmentally appropriate background information, helped the group decide how to handle the problem, and later made sure to support an evaluation of how the students felt the solutions were working. 



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    Karen Lefkovitz
    Independent Consultant
    Philadelphia PA
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  • 22.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-14-2023 06:01 AM
    In Understanding Vivian Paley as a Teacher Researcher, an article Patsy Cooper wrote for NAEYC (link below), she mentions Paley's belief that the most important part of teaching is "drawing invisible lines."
     
    In the spirit of doing just that, here's a story that draws lines between the words Karen used to make points about helping adults and children find ways to "navigate disruptive types of play." 

    [Medieval = Big bad wolf and little pigs.
    Children developing a sense of self and learning to live in a world of uncertainty: See Da'Shawna's story, in which she too draws invisible lines.]

    Da'Shawna, age 5: My mama made me a toy house for me to sleep in.
    Then my mama said go to sleep to my baby sister.
    And then I went to sleep.
    Then somebody knocked on the door.
    The big bad wolf sit outside.
    And then my mom came and my grandma came and got the big bad wolf.
    The big bad wolf jumped on them and they're not dead.
    They never die.
    Once upon a time the little pigs.
    Then I didn't like the big bad wolf and that's why I wanted my mommy.
    And my mommy at the store.
    My sister came and she found me 'cause I was lost on the bridge.
    Then my sister turned into a big, bad wolf.
    Then I didn't know who that was.
    And it was the big, bad wolf.
    And the big bad wolf turned back into my sister. Then my sister said why did I turn into a big bad wolf.
    I'm not a big bad wolf.
    And I don't know why I turned into that 'cause I'm a kid.

    The more important truth is that it does not matter what we label Vivian Paley in the end if our goal is authenticity. It only matters that we disseminate her work to the next generation of early childhood teachers, so that they, too, may tame the classro







  • 23.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-23-2023 10:09 AM

    When I was director of a coop school, we had a child enroll for a short period of time when her two military parents were home on leave. This was during the 1980s. I am sure the child, a 4 year old girl, heard her parents discussing the violence of being in the military. I also know that her parents had guns as part of their professional role in the military. The point I am bringing up is that when this girl played in the block area, which she did a lot, her block play was about war and people being shot and dying. As she played with the blocks, she would narrate scenes of military violence that I am thinking her parents experienced or discussed. After a few weeks, this child was withdrawn from our school. Her parents had to go back to the military base to be deployed.

    Fantasy play is often where children play out their fears. Sometimes they harbor anger that is also played out - no filter in the scenarios they choose. Also, as I said in an earlier response, even when guns are forbidden in the environment, children find a way to fashion them from whatever is available. In the old days, kids would play our Superhero stories with Superman, etc.

    Our country has become very violent with people living in fear - fear of others shooting them and fear of the "other", people they don't know. We need to figure out how to come up with rules for our society as a whole vis-a-vis guns and gun ownership.



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    Nora Krieger, PhD
    Associate Professor Emerita/Past Chair NJEEPRE
    Bloomfield College/NJ Educators Exploring the Practices of Reggio Emilia
    Highland Park, NJ
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  • 24.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-11-2023 09:31 AM

    I agree, gun play is a serious and complicated issue.  When a classroom has a rule of no gun play as you suggested in your post, and no guns, real or toy, I am interested in how you redirect children who may still try to express their desire for gun play?  Do you remind them of the rules, and they cease and understand this is something they do not do in the classroom? I am interested in your strategies.  I have worked with many teachers who do not know what the best or appropriate way to handle this issue. Thank you!



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    Janice Baston
    Philadelphia PA
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  • 25.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-11-2023 09:50 AM
    I currently teach adults working with young children. When I was in the classroom, I would ask that they do something else. I would suggest that we hunt, for example, but not everyone agrees with that either. 
    I think the rules are necessary in our current social situation. Teachers can, however, get very worked up about this type of play. I think getting the child's view of the play would be helpful. What are they trying to do? What is the play scenario? If they are fighting "bad guys", are they trying to protect others? 

    I have used re-direction and offer other play options. But as usually happens, children are going to play what they want. At times, I have allowed a section of the playground for this type of play. If children did not want to participate, then they used the other areas. I monitored the play more closely to assure that it is just play fighting and protecting, not "killing" each other. 

    There are so many fairy tales and children's stories with swords and battles. I think it can be useful but today, we must be cautious. 

    Thank you
    Barbara Gingerich
    Cell: 574-349-0783


    It is a happy talent to know how to play.

    RALPH WALDO EMERSON










  • 26.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-12-2023 05:54 AM
    Questions about how (when and whether) to redirect play; what to do and how to think about rules; and how to devise, test, and assess strategies are all part of Fantasy Play Research. 

    My approach is in this 3-act play.

    Act 1: Research begins with knowns and ends with a hypothesis.

    To test the hypothesis, in Act 2 we consider an episode of play and apply Vivian Paley's storytelling and story acting approach. 

    Act 3 includes Interpretation, Intermission, and the moral of our Fantasy Play Research story.

    Resa
    https://herdingbubbles.com/tintop/
    These are teaching and learning stories from 20-plus years of testing Vivian Paley's storytelling and story acting curriculum: Alphabet Riddles A child who is already reading begins to unders...
    herdingbubbles.com









  • 27.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-10-2023 09:46 AM

    I appreciate your response in how you redirected the children in your class on how to use guns and yet making it relevant to their lives and family culture.  When I hear how many teachers approach children's gun play, I am a little disturbed by their responses.  Children whose various family members use guns on a regular basis such as police officers, military, security, and hunters, we can make children feel bad about their family members' use of guns.  Something that I am very careful to not do.  Helping children to have a better understanding and perspective of gun use can be a teaching moment. When I know the children are acting out gun play in an unhealthy way because of videos or television, I can redirect young children to use their play as fire fighters using a hose to put out a fire or a gardener using a hose to water a garden. I am interested to know, what ways have you redirected the children in their gun play?



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    Janice Baston
    Philadelphia PA
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  • 28.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-04-2023 12:55 PM

    This is similar to our cultural climate in Colorado. Even in our Toddler Classroom (24-36) months they were hunting mountain lions. This is something that both families are engaged in as a family and I do believe that honoring that culture can be tricky. The other caveat that I encounter is that a good portion of our parents are police officers and have their guns on their hips during pick up and drop off. This dynamic is hard because the older kids like to play police man with a gun because it is who their parents are. I have found it very tricky to tell them that who their parents are cannot be acted out at school when it is such a familiar part of their family dynamics. That being said we talk about gun safety and not ever pointing them at people, etc. I do not believe though that I am honoring the family by saying no guns at all at school. I would love another perspective is someone has one! This topic feels somewhat impossible!



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    Shana Pruitt
    CO
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  • 29.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-04-2023 05:28 PM

    Hi,

    I think the important and critical piece is that we are talking about how guns and the use of guns is currently a serious problem in our society. In the United States, guns are the leading cause of death for children. Schools are not the only place children are being killed and injured. In FL, two dads with children in their cars were in conflict: Allison responded by firing a single shot at Hale's vehicle, striking Hale's 5-year-old daughter in the upper calf.
    Hale returned fire, emptying his Glock 43 9-millimeter semi-automatic handgun into Allison's vehicle, hitting Allison's 14-year-old daughter in the back. She suffered a collapsed lung.According to the State Attorney's Office, "both children are expected to make a full recovery." Both men had concealed weapons permits and no prior criminal record.https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/road-raging-dads-shot-each-others-children-only-one-is-charged/77-1271f190-823f-4181-af0f-efe2a4b13281 These men were exercising their right to bear arms. The children are the ones who suffer the gravest consequences because they are vulnerable. Teaching can never be apolitical. We create our culture and our society directly with the choices we make, the beliefs we practice, and the values we choose to uphold. It does seem like an impossible subject. But the fact that we are willing to struggle with it and to continue to reflect on our role as educators and partners with parents is a hopeful thing.  



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    Christine Bizzell
    Co-lead teacher
    Wild Lilac Child Developent Center
    OR
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  • 30.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-07-2023 12:09 AM

    In our classroom, we have a no weapons policy that we reinforce with the children. We place guns in the 'category of tools'. We are in a midwest rural setting and many children's fathers or male relatives hunt during proper seasons. We explain that the gun itself is a tool and that people turn it into a weapon and the same goes with knives or other sharp instruments. We also state to the children how and why hunting once was useful,  how the animal was used in many ways, and the responsibility that a hunter has today to others and to the animals. We talk about the good uses they have and the way they are misused. We use this as a way to explain what 'no weapons' means and as a safety lesson as well. Just my thoughts on the subject which I know is a hot topic anymore.



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    Sue Miller
    team leader
    Child Development Center
    IA
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  • 31.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-07-2023 10:46 AM

    Hi Sue, I really like the language and point of view that you bring to the child. It's affirming of identity and also connects to other knowledge that the child has. I'm going to bring this back to my team at Wild Lilac. Thank you!



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    Christine Bizzell
    Co-lead teacher
    Wild Lilac Child Developent Center
    OR
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  • 32.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-05-2023 12:42 AM

    Hello, I had the same problem. We says this is a no gun zone we do not play with guns.   Do we see mom and daddy playing with guns. So we don't play with them either.  So no gun zone. If a child makes a gun with the Legos we ask the to take it apart as we don't play with guns, guns can hurt us, mommy and daddy ok so don't play with guns we play with toys not guns.  It took a minute to sink in but now we don't have that problem.  Consistency is 🔑  if they continue I will remove the blocks they created it with for a few hours each time.  



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    Sylvia Moore
    Owner/director
    Grannys Precious Offspring ChildCare
    MI
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  • 33.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-10-2023 12:57 PM

    We have recently had a 2-year-old display very similar gun play in the classroom. After speaking to the child's father, we learned that his older siblings are playing video games that include guns. Our school is a faith-based program, and we discourage any gun play, however we use it as a teachable moment to explain to the children that some people use guns to keep other people safe, some use them to hunt, and some can be used to hurt other people. We talk about how guns are not allowed at school unless it is a police officer. We talk to the parents and families about our gun play policy and ask them to talk to their child at home too. We also think it is important that children respect their peers and understand that not all children are comfortable playing guns, therefore, another reason why we do not allow gun play. We redirect children and offer them to use the materials in a different way. 



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    Heather Uribe
    Director
    Faith Lutheran Preschool
    Yucaipa CA
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  • 34.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-11-2023 11:23 AM

    I have had the majority of my class make the Legos into guns and they acted out the gun violence. I am opened up to suggestions on how to redirect them and have a conversation with them about using guns.



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    Asenath Hall
    Central Piedmont Community College
    Charlotte NC
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  • 35.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-11-2023 11:39 AM

    Engage children in conversation to think about what they are doing, such as,
    If that were a real gun it could hurt people.
    -
     What else can we make instead of guns?
    - What do we use guns for?
    - Do you think your friends like when you play that way?  If not, what should we do?

    Provide children with props to play and ample pretend materials.  Sometimes just giving them replacements and new ways to use materials can redirect their play.  Provide those open-ended questions to get them thinking.  You can use those discussions to guide their play.



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    EMily Perkins
    Education Specialist
    The Learning Care Group
    Hummelstown PA
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  • 36.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-11-2023 11:56 AM

    Ok thank you



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    Asenath Hall
    Central Piedmont Community College
    Charlotte NC
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  • 37.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-11-2023 12:17 PM
    Thank you all for your feedback.  I needed some different perspectives and ideas.  I grew up in a home where no gun play was allowed at all, not even water guns.  I realize now that may have been extreme, and I realize it could result in some bias in me.  Sometimes I have been uncertain of where to draw the line, especially with the children going into public school.  My son got in serious trouble just for drawing a gun in kindergarten.  I have no idea why he drew a gun, but I received a very direct note from his teacher that it would not be tolerated.  I think the high number of school shootings make us even more hesitant.  In this case, I think the child is seeing graphic images on TV and video games and imitating what he sees.  I wonder about introducing a dart board or maybe some other kinds of targets so that it is not directed at people.  






  • 38.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-14-2023 01:11 PM

    I remember when I was teaching preschool children, we had a gun discussion during a class meeting. One child asked, "What about staple guns or nail guns?". We decided that guns that were used to hurt people (even pretend guns) weren't ok. Just like hitting or kicking is not ok because it hurts someone, if I used a pretend gun and pointed it at someone and said, "Bang, bang, you're dead.", that would hurt someone. It would not feel good to have my friend do that. Bringing it to a level that children can relate to can help.



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    Joyce Daniels
    Adjunct Instructor
    Folsom Lake College
    Sacramento Valley, Ca
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  • 39.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-23-2023 09:56 AM

    Elizabeth:

    Do you know what the situation is in the child's home? Do the adults have guns? Are the older boys in the family already learning how to use guns?

    In the far past, 1970s, when kids "played with guns", even though toy guns were not permitted at the Coop School which my children attended, children fashioned guns out of other items. The difference then is that the kids played superheroes who saved people and made the world a better place. Are the children still doing that or is the gun play of a more sinister nature???



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    Nora Krieger, PhD
    Associate Professor Emerita/Past Chair NJEEPRE
    Bloomfield College/NJ Educators Exploring the Practices of Reggio Emilia
    Highland Park, NJ
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  • 40.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-23-2023 10:17 AM

    As for my children it's more of a sinister. However I like the superhero part so maybe I can implement that instead. Thanks



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    Asenath Hall
    Central Piedmont Community College
    NC
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  • 41.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-24-2023 01:14 PM

    Current enrollment in my home childcare ranges from 8 weeks-9 years. The children are wanting to play games that sound cute and innocent. Poppy Playtime and Rainbow Friends are the current favorites. The children all assume a character and the play begins. From what I have researched online, they are actually horror video games with the participants stabbing people, cutting off limbs, murdering the "color blue" character, etc. I have 2 and 3 year olds who are well aware how to play this with their friends. It's so sad to witness some of violence as they "play".  One little boy distorts his face, crosses his eyes, and pretends to repeatedly stab his stuffed animal. I have talked with the parents of some of the children, but they just tell their child they can't play like that at daycare. I'm sure they are still watching / playing the video games. I am trying to redirect with some of the already mentioned ideas. It seems like the children are bothered by what they are watching and trying to make sense of it by re-enacting what they have seen. I am looking for information to distribute to parents on the effects of watching horror shows/ playing violent video games on young children. Please share if you have information on this.



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  • 42.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-24-2023 03:08 PM

    I know you already know this, but those two shows are not appropriate for young children.  Their brains are not ready for that.

    Here is a link to an article by the American Psychological Association that points to early exposure of violence on TV can lead to aggression when they become adults:

    https://www.apa.org/pi/prevent-violence/resources/tv-violence      


    This is an article by the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychology:

    https://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families_and_Youth/Facts_for_Families/FFF-Guide/Children-And-TV-Violence-013.aspx#:~:text=Extensive%20viewing%20of%20television%20violence,to%20imitate%20what%20they%20see.  



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    College of Southern Idaho
    ID
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  • 43.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-24-2023 05:14 PM

    I'm reaching out because I also have come across Poppy Playtime in my current center-based preschool classroom. The video gaming culture is one that I'm not familiar with, and when I did a little research and learned that Poppy Playtime is a horror video game marketed for 8 year olds, I was very surprised. Also, the horror movie culture that is a part of our world that has impacted my students. One student's parent showed up to their home wearing a latex Freddy Kruger mask at Halloween and the child was frightened. When the mask came off, the child was confused about why they would be frightened of their own parent. If you come across any information for families, I am very interested. I'll send you what I find as well, and. maybe, we can begin a discussion with our families about the risks associated with exposure to horror images for the young child.   



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    Christine Bizzell
    Co-lead teacher
    Wild Lilac Child Developent Center
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  • 44.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-24-2023 06:52 PM

    This is an excellent resource for parents:

    https://www.commonsensemedia.org/



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    Cathy McAuliffe, PhD
    *Coast Bend Chapter of TXAEYC Member
    *NorthWest Arkansas Community College Adjunct Professor
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  • 45.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 04-26-2023 09:34 AM

    Might I also humbly suggest my book (Media Literacy for Young Children). If opportunities to talk about media, both with children and with families, are routine instead of only in response to concerning situations, people are much less likely to respond defensively and much more likely to develop the skills they need to make sound decisions about their kids and media.  



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    Dr. Faith Rogow
    InsightersEducation
    Ithaca NY
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  • 46.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-04-2023 11:50 PM

    Try redirecting. If it comes from violence or aggression I would sit and talk to him about it at their level of understanding. If it's a behavior we don't like seeing in our environment maybe telling the child that's  not a game we can play here, and redirecting to something of interest.



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    IA
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  • 47.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-05-2023 10:11 AM

    A good place to get advice on the situation with guns is to read or re-read some of Vivian Gussin Paley's books: Boys and Girls: Superheroes in the Doll Corner (2014 updated); Bad Guys Don't Have Birthdays (1991); and A Child's Work: The Importance of Fantasy Play (2009).

    How we redirect their gun play is important what direction do we take. Also, analyzing what the gun play is communicating about what they are thinking is also something that we, as teachers, should be thinking about. Really examining their communication of these gun scenarios might help us redirect or give insight into their focus on guns. Is it watching too much news on guns? Video games that feature death and destruction? Fears? Do they come from families with strong gun cultures??? What does that mean for the classroom?

    When I was the director of a coop nursery school, toy guns were not allowed in the classroom at all. But, kids figure out ways to improvise and pretend with a piece of a block or legos. We were successful in turning the gun play into superhero play where children were Superman saving lives, etc. or firemen or good police people who saved people from disasters.



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    Nora Krieger, PhD
    Associate Professor Emerita/Past Chair NJEEPRE
    Bloomfield College/NJ Educators Exploring the Practices of Reggio Emilia
    Highland Park, NJ
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  • 48.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-08-2023 05:28 PM

    The apprehension people have with "gun play" fascinates me.  It's not a gun. I repeat, it's not a gun.  Just like it's not a magic wand, and the floor isn't really lava.  Given that there is zero (to my knowledge) connection between pretend play involving pretend guns and adult dangerous deviant behavior, I treat gun play the same way I treat magic wand and lava play.  If  it's bothering another child, we work it out.  I teach the other child to speak up for their discomfort, or turn away and ignore,  whether they are being pretend shot, pretend turned into a toad or pretend burnt up by lava.  And I teach the child with the pretend gun, the pretend magic wand or the pretend to find willing playmates or focus their play in other ways.  Again, it's not a gun. 



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    Scott Mitchell
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    Silver Spring Nursery School
    Maryland
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  • 49.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-10-2023 08:21 AM

    My response is "Hear!Hear!" for you Mr. Mitchell. Dramatic/pretend play is where children are able to explore, imagine, and create worlds of their own while, learning to process and model proper social etiquette and behavior. 



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  • 50.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-10-2023 10:06 AM

    It's pretty clear that when children engage in imaginative play with props, they are role-playing.  In the case of "kitchen center" they are imaging cooking, when playing with dolls, pretending to be parents.

    What do you think they pretending to be when they engage in (toy) gun play?  Who/what are they pretending to hurt or kill in their imagination?  If pretend toy guns are allowed, it must be made ABSOLUTELY clear that if the pretend gun is ever, even once, pointed at a person, it will be removed from the classroom, not merely from the child.  

    There have been cases of pretend guns being mistaken for the real thing.  In some of those cases, the children have been shot by police.  In some of THOSE cases, the child has been killed. 

    Frankly, I don't think toy guns are any more suitable in a classroom than pretend nuclear weapons.  Children need to be taught that pointing a gun at a person is UNACCEPTABLE.



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  • 51.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-10-2023 10:25 AM

    When did you become desensitized and demoralized? Cooking is not the same as killing. When a child is cooking in the kitchen, he/she/they are nourishing others - tools that help others. When a child is pretending to hold a gun, the intent is always/will always be to cause harm. 
    You're right, they don't understand. How could they? They're children. But you do. You understand, and you're accepting it. Our culture has accepted it. If you do not teach the difference and symbolism, you are failing them, their parents, society. You are failing the children in your class who are uncomfortable with it.  Have you ever seen a child be uncomfortable when other children are "preparing food"? Maybe a child who has experienced a kitchen fire. A child's world should be safe from harm in your care. 



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    Director
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  • 52.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-10-2023 01:33 PM

    Perhaps the question is not about whether or not there is a direct correlation between gun play as a preschooler and killing someone with a gun as an adult. I don't think that question is very interesting, and the logic is questionable. Is there a direct correlation between gun play as a preschooler and resilient, good mental health as an adult?  It's more complicated than that and anyone who feels they have the absolute correct answer to this discussion topic is no longer listening to the other colleague. How can we model listening and advocating for children when we ourselves are not able to try to see the point of view of someone who disagrees with us? The willingness to sit with discomfort as we listen to each other is more important than ever for a just and equitable society. The ability to own our own privilege, to look hard at how violence in general and specifically gun violence has shaped our identity as a country, a nation, and how our current culture supports the fact that guns are the number one killer of children/not adults, but children. If we think children don't "know" this, then I believe we are not listening to them, either. I will not become so rigid in my teacher identity that I stop being open to different viewpoints, that I stop listening to the wisdom of families and colleagues. For me, the question is "How do we collectively create a culture that protects the lives of the most vulnerable members of our society?"



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    Christine Bizzell
    Co-lead teacher
    Wild Lilac Child Developent Center
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  • 53.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-10-2023 10:01 PM

    It seems as though my response struck a nerve with a few. I can see where my tone was terse and perhaps arrogant. I apologize. In response to the specific comments and questions put my way.

    a) I agree that look alike guns can put people at risk.  I do not stock look alike guns at all in our center and would ask anyone who brought one from home to find a different item to bring.  When I think of pretend gun play in early learning centers I'm thinking about sticks, magnatiles, paper towel rolls, fingers, etc.  

    b) I tried to show respect for the colleague who asked the question by answering their question of how to handle it by suggesting involving the kids in finding a solution through conversation, collaboration, resiliency and compromise, which are skills we are hoping to grow and develop.

    c) Prohibitions rarely work.  They actually tend to drive behaviors into the shadows.

    d) I know it's sensitive topic.  It causes me an immense amount of grief to bear witness to the amount of gun deaths in my home country.  I fail to see prohibiting pretend gun play in early child hood settings as the solution though.  I more see the development of kids who are in touch with their emotions, able to talk about them, and collaborate/compromise with others as closing the gap on where we are and where we would like to be. 

    e) For the record, I'm not a gun owner.  Never have been. I don't see myself ever becoming one either.  I did engage in pretend gun play as a youth.  



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    Scott Mitchell
    Teacher
    Silver Spring Nursery School
    Maryland
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  • 54.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-11-2023 05:56 AM
    James Wong, botanist, Twitter: "I once posted on FB that spraying aspirin on tomato plants improves their flavour by mimicking a natural plant hormone. I received a week of fury, including people who thought I was part of a Chinese plot trying to change the sex of their kids via gardening advice." 

    >What do you think they pretending to be when they engage in (toy) gun play? Who/what are they >pretending to hurt or kill in their imagination?

    Answers to these explicit questions, as well as to other, invisible ones, are a function of age, gender, home, race, ethnicity, air quality and moon phase. In EC settings, answers can be found and discussed through storytelling and story acting, a kind of social media that offers opportunities for conversations about...well, everything...if teachers are a) willing to give it a whirl and b) read and reread Vivian Paley's books.

    James, age 4 (December, drawing and dictating): I'm bringing this home. My mom would be happy. (singing) I'm taking that gun, that gun, that gun.
    (resumes drawing): Another gun so I can bring it home.
    Monster.
    That's my gun.
    Me: How many guns is that?
    James: Five.
    I dropped it.
    Then the troll didn't catch it.
    That's all.

    James again (April): I know how to fight shark teeth. Do you wanna know how?
    'Cause you punch them in they stomach. That'll hurt the shark. If it was a big alligator, it will eat the shark.
    Once upon a time mama went to the store and Patrick walked out of the house. And then he went to somebody else's house. And then I went to Amaria's house. And then Patrick came over to Amaria's and then he went straight back to mama's 'cause mama was about to get in the car. And then he came back home and then they sawed their house broken. And then they have to run 'cause they didn't know what was behind it.

    Gerald, age 4 (April, one year later): This is a bug. He's looking at the man. He say hey man what are you doing? He shoot the sun. The bug killed the sun. The bug killed the man and then police come. Hey why you shot my best friend?

    Different preschool and city, several years after James' and Gerald's stories, Gussie, age 4, being raised gender fluid by moms who talked openly about police brutality. When we saw a policewoman on a walk to the park, G steered us in her direction so we could ask her questions about all the weapons she was wearing. When we resumed our walk, G asked: How did she know we weren't bad guys?

    Gussie (later, at the story table): I just want to drive to a family that likes guns and get one. A Nerf gun.
    Like grownup people that like Nerf guns. But not real ones. Or five-year-olds. I've been thinking about them and I just like them. I came out of my mommy's belly that way. (blowing) I just wanted to give you some breath.

    Sarae, age 4 ("armed" with Legos, running around classroom, zooming past colorful Daily Schedule posted to wall complete with pictures of classmates and families): Pashew, pashew.
    Me: What's pashew, pashew?
    Sarae: Bad guys.
    Lead Teacher: We're not bad guys.
    Me (sotto voce): Um.  

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  • 55.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-12-2023 08:09 AM

    I apprecciate this discussion and all of the contributions.  I don't think I've seen the book "The War Play Dilemma" by Diane Leven and Nancy Carson-Paige recommended yet.  "Using a developmental and sociopolitical viewpoint, the authors examine five possible strategies for resolving the war play dilemma and show which best satisfy both points of view: banning war play; taking a laissez-faire approach; allowing war play with specified limits; actively facilitating war play; and limiting war play while providing alternative ways to work on the issues."  

    I learned so much from this book when I was a beginning teacher and saw this playing out in my classroom.  These are some of the things that Scott writes about in his recent response.  I found that banning play simply doesn't work.  Children continue to fashion guns or other weapons behind the backs of the adults; in my classroom, literally sitting under the tables and fashioneing paper swords when they were told that it wasn't allowed.  We made safety rules instead: Children could use pretend guns or swords only with other children who were playing the same game.  No pointing at people's faces.  Adults don't participate in this play. If someone says stop they immediately stop.  We also talked about why they wanted to play and the fact that this is pretend.  The amount of weapon play went down within a couple of weeks, and the amount of problem-solving discussion increased. These children were 3.

    I agree that children are sometimes working out unfortunate real-life difficulties in this play.  We saw an increase in weapon play in classrooms after the Marathon bombing, for example, after we had a day of lockdown in our homes.  I wonder about the differences now that more children see guns both in their neighborhoods--though for many children this was always true--and in the media.  It has become more traumatizing for adults to witness this play since school shootings have become so sadly a feature of our lives.  Does this change what we do in the classroom?  I'm not sure.  It does change our responses as adults, though.  And I also appreciate the voices of teachers who work in populations where many parents have guns as hunters and/or police officers, which also changes the conversations among the childrena and the adults.  No easy answers.



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    she/her/hers
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    The Early Years Project
    Cambridge, MA
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  • 56.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-12-2023 08:52 AM

    I agree with a lot of what Aren Stone has written. Let's keep in mind that our society has changed and there are many people suffering from mental health problems who have had access to weapons and have used them.

    I earlier responded with a similar response. Guns were banned from the Coop but kids fashioned guns/weapons from whatever they could find. Much of the play at that time (1980s/1990s) included superheroes who saved people. As I earlier wrote, as well, in the mid 1990s, we had a little girl for a short time whose mother was in the military. There was most likely a lot of talk about war and death. This child would go into the block area and re-enact battle scenes with people getting hurt and sometimes dying. I believe that she was working on understanding all that she heard and may have experienced in her young life. She was 4 years old.

    Coming down hard on dramatic play that may have weapons in it will almost always drive the play underground. Just think about book banning (at least when I was a teen). We would get the books that parents did not want us to read and pass them around telling people what pages to read.

    What we can do is set up a trusting relationship (not shaming children) with children where we have implemented excellent problem solving protocols that help children learn how to work with their anger and other emotions.



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    Nora Krieger, PhD
    Associate Professor Emerita/Past Chair NJEEPRE
    Bloomfield College/NJ Educators Exploring the Practices of Reggio Emilia
    Highland Park, NJ
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  • 57.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-13-2023 11:49 AM

    I love that book and it changed our classroom. My issue (a while back) was super heroes. Even though I had discouraged (!!) it, one year it would NOT go away. As with most problems I couldn't solve, I went to the research/experts. That book convinced me to make it work.  We started with a class meeting and Rule #1, proposed by a child, was "don't bother the people who don't want to play that". The other rules were simple, inside voices, walking feet and if the rules weren't followed "the play" (box of props) was put away for the day. 

    I was amazed by the outcome. The mostly boys controlled each other's behavior. They wanted better capes (they were using girlish dress up apron/tie on skirts) so I brought my portable sewing machine and we made a few red, blue and black capes. Children who rarely visited the art table made paper masks (cut out eye holes) which evolved daily because they frequently took them home and had to make new. They made walkie talkies (again, it was a while back) at the woodworking table from little blocks of wood they sometimes had to saw to size, added little squares of screen and thumb tacks for the front and a long "antenna" nail. These also evolved in design and expertise like the masks. They got interested in making comics (writing/drawing as well as cutting and pasting pictures from donated comics) of their stories. Superheroes don't kill people (or didn't then, I haven't kept up) they outsmarted or otherwise out preformed their opponents so they could confront them another day. 

    It went surprisingly well and I was pleased with the outcome. It extended into all the major learning areas: large/small motor, social/emotional, language, creativity! and more. It continued in following years but never on that scale. I wonder where those heroes are today, hopefully out making the world a better place. 



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    Vicki Knauerhase M.Ed.
    Child Development Specialist (retired)
    Weston OH
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  • 58.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-13-2023 03:15 PM

    I responded in the beginning of this discussion and have followed what is being said. I agree with Aren's ideas, and Nancy and Diane's book about The War Play Dilemma helped me so much when this issue came up as I was teaching children.

    I still think the bottom line is being mindful of hurting others. We discourage hitting, pinching, biting, using hurtful words...Pointing a finger gun at someone is in the same category. Physically or emotionally hurting someone else is not ok and needs to be discussed and put on the list when we are making classroom agreements.



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    Joyce Daniels
    Adjunct Instructor
    Folsom Lake College
    Sacramento Valley, Ca
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  • 59.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-13-2023 09:14 PM

    For what it's worth, here's an article from almost 10 years ago when I took on the weapon-play issue.  Amazingly, years later, I still feel the same way.

    https://youthtoday.org/2014/06/shootout-at-the-ost-corral/



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    Rick Rood
    Trainer/ Teacher / Coach
    Transformed Teachers
    NM
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  • 60.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-14-2023 08:57 AM

    Rick Rood: There is a difference between encouraging weapon play and understanding that forbidding it often leads it to go somewhat underground. As you wrote in your piece, the children fashion weapons out of whatever is available in order to go forward with for whatever the weapons are to be used.

    I found that the children in our Coop, when I was Director many years ago, engaged in Superhero imaginative play where they went after bad guys. There was a real story involved, not just running around shooting with their "individually" fashioned "guns". The stories behind the weapon play is crucial. On the other hand, if we find children using weapons for weapons sake with no story or imagination behind the use, we should be teaching children about safety and the dangers of guns. There have been too many real mass shootings that kids have either been witness to or viewed on TV.



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    Nora Krieger, PhD
    Associate Professor Emerita/Past Chair NJEEPRE
    Bloomfield College/NJ Educators Exploring the Practices of Reggio Emilia
    Highland Park, NJ
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  • 61.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-15-2023 07:42 PM

    Thanks for the link, Rick. The half eaten sandwich as gun was the one that got me - that and the number 7 from the number puzzle. 

    Early Childhood Investigations is offering a free online training in August called "Making Peace with War Play: Exploring Consent sandwich Power in the Preschool Classroom" with Mike Huber



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  • 62.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-18-2023 09:55 AM

    The most interesting example of improvised gun play I saw occurred while I was collecting observational data in a preschool classroom for my dissertation. A boy went to the doll table that had a variety of dolls--including Barbie type dolls (which could start an entirely different conversation about appropriateness of Barbie dolls in preschool classrooms). I watched with interest because I was anticipating observing an example of "non-gender stereotypical behavior." The boy picked up a Barbie, looked at it for a second, bent the doll at the waist, held the upper torso like a gun handle with the doll's legs forming the barrel of the gun and then proceeded to run around the room pretending to shoot things with the "Barbie gun." 

    Even though it violated the classroom prohibition about gun play, I had to hand it to the child:  He was definitely meeting the "curiosity" learning standard of "Explore and use materials during play and exploration in new and different ways."



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    Salt Lake City, UT
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  • 63.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-18-2023 09:29 PM

    Well,  Barbie gun is one thing to do with what the kids in one classroom called the "mommy dolls". And there have definitely been threads about the appropriateness of Barbies in the classroom.

    Also rereading my post I notice that my phone autocorrected "and" to "sandwich" in the title of the upcoming workshop i wanted to let everyone onow about. So weird! Apologies to Early Childhood Investigations and Mike Haber - The correct title is "Making Peace with War Play: Exploring Consent and Power in the Preschool Classroom"



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    IL
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  • 64.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-20-2023 11:47 AM

    Hello all, 

    I have been on this field for two decades and I cannot see how Barbies can be included appropriately to a curriculum at such a young age. There are parents as community workers that can volunteer and be part of the children's learning experience. Barbies are fancy dolls that are created far from reality for many of the families. I do not have anything against them neither the creator. My own children were the creators of their own dolls made out of leaves , sticks, pinecones and more. 
    The children from my program are involve with the same view and they are very creative and enthusiastic about discovering things to be used. 
    The more hands-on, the better results. 
    Have a great day everyone!! 



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    Maria
    Early Memories FDC
    MA
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  • 65.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-22-2023 08:53 AM
    Recap: Child turns a Barbie into a gun; teacher consults Standards Manual and "gives the child points for demonstrating curiosity." Teacher/readers who have been discussing the meaning of gun play are relieved to be able to turn their focus to Barbies.

    Barbies and guns are part of children's lives, and for teachers who want to move from Things that give us conniption fits, to What am I missing?, it can be helpful to look for connections to other parts of our well-thumbed Standards Manuals.

    When children turn objects into pretend guns, it behooves us to remember that the ability to substitute one object for another is a stepping stone to solving for X (see algebra). 

    When children substitute one object for another, they are laying the groundwork for creating similes, metaphors and analogies, and for making music.

    Danielle, age 3: Barbie went up to water and then she swimmed down to the light. She got the zipper and she put it up to the light. The light worked and there was a baby crying in the water.

    Hailey, age 4 (draws musical notes while dictating): I wrote music. It's a Barbie song. 

    Barbies, musical instruments and toy guns all belong to the category of things children are not supposed to bring from home. Storytelling and story acting gives children the ability to bring the ideas of these objects into the classroom story, where they can be used for flexing emotional regulation muscles while children practice the aforementioned music, math and literacy skills.

    In this last story we see dialogue, and Barbie as transition object between home and school - a way to practice resilience while exploring a sense of self.

    Amarria, age 4 (dictating while drawing): That's my mom. Barbie. She's dancing at work. She's just gonna talk like that (tips head to demonstrate). She's gonna talk to daddy. She's gonna say who is this? This is me, your daughter.

    For story acting, the moral of the story from the adult point of view could be research-related (Theories R 4 Testing): What will happen if, when we miss our moms, rather than being sad, we pretend that all the moms are dancing?

    And then somebody could say, Well, what about the dads?!
     
    Resa Matlock
    (where Theory Into Practice is a work in progress)





  • 66.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-18-2023 09:31 PM

    Ugh apologies again to Mike Huber!



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  • 67.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-19-2023 07:57 PM

    Thanks for an interesting and thoughtful dicussion of this touchy topic. When I was teaching in a classroom our priority was not prohibiting guns but rather prohibiting hurting others. When the preschoolers and Kindergraten chldren that I shared a classroom with created guns, I'd admire theri creativity and ask what the "gun" was for, what did it do? I got as many responses as there were improvisations, from blowing bubbles to painting dinosaurs, which often led to renaming the tool they had created. For children with real life expereince of gun violence. this sometimes opened a discussion of guns that hurt people and why those were not good things for kids to use or be around. 



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    Reeva Murphy
    Early Care and Learning Consultant
    VT
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  • 68.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-11-2023 12:28 PM

    One thought I have about this discussion is this:  It is often the case with young children that a repeated pretend play scenario that a child engages in is sometimes or even often a sign of that child's need or desire to resolve something emotionally related to that play theme.  Those of us who were teaching in early childhood classrooms in the time directly following the 9/11 attacks will remember that some children would come into the block area, sometimes for many days repeatedly, playing out building a tall building and then knocking it down, building it up again and then knocking it down, even children who had not played in this style before, or in classrooms where this play pattern was not generally allowed in blocks and had really not been seen there previously.

     At that time, many child mental health experts advised that it was likely that some children had seen at home the TV news footage, being shown repeatedly on news channels at that time, of the Twin Towers being crashed into and crumbling to the ground, and were attempting to "play out" and master their fears about the event.  They suggested several things: that many young children would not understand that this was repeated footage of a rare occurrence and would think it was actually a series of  repeated nsimilar events; that we allow some of this play as "mastery of fears" scenario for a while, but not indefinitely; that we alert parents to our noticing of the children's possible awareness and fear about the situation; that parents be encouraged to limit their child's exposure to this information of violence and most importantly to be sure to reassure children that "grownups were here to keep them safe." Children could be reminded to "look for the keep-you-safe helpers" anywhere they are-parents and grandparents at home, teachers at school, etc. etc. 

    This is of course now a much more complicated time for news of violence,  and the chance that young children might not be aware that violence happens is much less. And some violence has occurred in places specific to children: schools, supermarkets, neighborhoods, and is much more immediate and fearful to the adults than 9/11 .  But I'm mentioning it because maybe it might at times be helpful to recognize that this awareness and fear of violence, based on exposure to news of violence, might at times be a piece of children's play theme.  And having teachers approach that child, who plays that theme repeatedly, with some discussion of the play theme and of  how grownups at school and home keep him/her safe might be something to consider.  As well as thinking about asking parents to consider if they might consider shielding their child at this age somewhat from repeated news reports/ adult discussions  of violence, certain video games, etc. Some parents may be unaware of how much a four year old takes in and applies directly to themselves at this age. 



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  • 69.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-11-2023 04:15 PM

    Scott,

    I appreciate your comments about the pretend around gun play and connecting this to something like a magic wand or imagining a floor made of lava - both things that really require imagination. Guns, gun violence, and even images of children experiencing war have unfortunately become too familiar to young children today. Even images of people with guns coming into schools and shooting and killing children. Also, for some children in our care who have actually experienced gun violence, there is nothing pretend about that. Guns are real and the violence they promote is real, too - even symbolically when done with a pointed finger  

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    How do we help the child that chooses to point that finger, to demonstrate their power over others?  Maybe that's what your thinking about  

    I wonder the fear and helplessness a child feels when another child decides to ( pretend) shoot them. Where is their agency to respond to that behavior that has been allowed by the adult(s). I'm trying to imagine the words I would say to either of those children or the concern the parent when they ask me the next day after their child tells them about this type of play occurring at their program/center/school. 
    I'll be interested in following this conversation. 



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    Marilyn Brink
    Adjunct Faculty
    ECE Dept.
    Morton College
    Cicero, IL
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  • 70.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-22-2023 08:30 AM

    HI Elizabeth, I just want to let you know about a free webinar on "war play" and the struggle with consent and power in preschool. I think  it can help you think about how to respond to this issue. The webinar will be presented by author, preschool teacher, and ECE play expert, Mike Huber on August 3, 2023. You can register for the live webinar and for the link to the recording at https://ecewebinars.com/warplay.



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    Engagement Strategies, LLC
    Early Childhood Investigations Webinars
    Early Childhood Investigations Consultants Directory
    Washington, DC Metro
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  • 71.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-22-2023 12:54 PM

    Thanks for the webinar recommendation!  I recently did another one I thought would be helpful, and the topic was not what I was thinking it would be.  I will check this one out!



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    Elizabeth Weller
    Director
    Park Place Children's Center
    IN
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  • 72.  RE: Gun Play

    Posted 06-28-2023 09:49 AM

    This is from a newsletter I recently sent to our families:    "To many caregivers' and parent's dismay, young children act out dramatic play scenarios that involve power, aggression, and good vs. evil, regardless of where they live, economic status, or family background. Anything can become a weapon of choice. Even (and sometimes especially) in homes and preschools with "no war-play" policies, children build bombers out of legos, swords out of tinker toys, and chew their graham crackers into guns. There is no evidence that suggests that playing with toy weapons alone leads to later violence. Fashioning and playing with toy weapons seems a natural, nearly instinctive activity for some children. What early childhood experts and many parents have discovered is that completely banning it can lead to resentment and harmful power struggles.

    The hard question is, how can we teach nonviolence and respect for weapons while still allowing war and other power play? The first suggestion in Nancy Carlsson- Paige and Diane E. Levin's latest book, The War Play Dilemma, is; "Don't Panic!" A sudden, harsh response to weapons play can cause confusion, fear, or anger. Alternatively, a sharp response might trigger the lure of the forbidden. The best response is a gentle one; engage your children in their play, and work with, not against, their interests. Keep in mind that there is a spectrum between imaginative play and imitative play. Imaginative play on one end is essential for healthy development and is initiated by the child from within. Media influence play (imitative play) can undermine this as children are bombarded with commercial characters with built in personalities, often with undesirable actions and behaviors. In the imaginative world, children are often experimenting with power and excitement, action and reaction, in a safe, make-believe world.

    Things to watch for:

    POSITIVE SIGNS 

    Be happy when your child:

    • Empathizes with others.

    • Is able to set limits and control behavior.

    • Stops when someone gets hurt.

    • Engages in creative, imaginative games 

    NEGATIVE SIGNS

    Be concerned and intervene if your child:

    • Is too aroused, unable to stop.

    • Has a punishing, vindictive attitude.

    • Shows poor self-control or a lack of limit setting.

    • Engages only in repetitive, imitative games

    * Consistently hurts others and damages property.

    When you intervene, you can model peace by:

    • Never treating an aggressive child aggressively.

    • Asking open-ended questions

    • Being open to all imaginary play

    • Playing along and modeling the change you'd like to see (turn your gun into a wand, spend time creating your superhero costumes and accessories).

    • Encouraging problem solving: "How can we keep playing so everyone feels safe?"

    • Put weapons and costumes away when the child isn't able to follow the limits.

    Molly Grosvenor 

    Program Director 

    Leelanau Children's Center



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    Molly Grosvenor
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    LEELANAU CHILDREN'S CENTER
    MI
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