Dear Diann, I am confused- where are you finding changes in ratios in NY? I am also in NY and thus far we have no new regulations in childcare except for that teachers must wear masks.
hello Tim,Thanks for sharing this document, I will read through it later.
I don't live in the US, but I do have a question for you Tim, & all the educators who have replied to your post - will the number of children in a classroom be based on the size of the class as well as the new requirements for social (perhaps that term should change to 'physical') distancing? In the UAE the regulations for class sizes in preschool is based on the size of the room and each child is expected to have a minimum amount of space. Thanks.
Thanks Tina,I can't imagine what you and other settings are going through. It seems At the moment there are no concrete solutions. Let's hope this will be temporary.
I now better understand what the restrictions mean - Regardless of class size, the maximum numbers remain the same. That must be frustrating and I assume there's no scope at this time to increase fees. It's a global issue.
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Should I follow the modified child care ratios?
Yes, to the extent possible, you should follow the modified child care ratio chart on page 6 of the Open Texas Checklist for Child Care Operations. Modified ratios will allow you to implement social distancing strategies and help to reduce the close contact exposure should a child or caregiver test positive at your operation. We recommend group sizes be stable, with the same children and caregiver in the same group every day, this includes all age groups. These groups can be in the same room but caregivers, to the extent possible, should enforce the separation of the groups.
Will I be cited if I do not follow the modified child care ratios?
No, the modified child care ratios are not Minimum Standards nor Emergency Rule and cannot be cited. Child Care Regulation will enforce Minimum Standards related to Child/Caregiver Ratios and Group Sizes.However, last Monday, the information we received along with the new ratios said this:(g) If this emergency rule is more restrictive than any minimum standard relating to the operations addressed by this rule, this emergency rule will prevail so long as this emergency rule is in effect.(h) If an executive order or other direction is issued by the Governor of Texas, the President of the United States, or another applicable authority, that is more restrictive than this emergency rule orany minimum standard relating to the operations addressed in this emergency rule, the operations must comply with the executive order or other directionSo who are we to believe? Arrghhh! The right hand and the left hand need to slap each other!
Tim,I hear your frustration. Yet, other administrators mention these ratios are not unusual for some programs. I wonder if the question is not about ratios but how to create a new approach to ECE that works for everyone involved. I, for one, do not want to go back to the way it was.I believe we need to create a "New normal". Maybe that means programs will not be as large as they were before. Maybe it means more parents will continue to work from home and spend more time with their children so there will be less need for "out-of-home" care. Maybe it means educators will have smaller class sizes and have more time to "Really See Children". I'm not saying I agree with the directives coming from your governor. I do agree that you and other ECE leaders in your state need to be involved in a process of creating new systems that work to provide what's best for children.Pelo and Carter, in from Teaching to Thinking: A Pedagogy for Reimagining Our Work, write that "disequilibrium is a gift". Everyone in the field is certainly in a state of disequilibrium as a result of the pandemic. Maybe one of the questions to explore is "How can we find the gifts that will evolve from these challenges?"
Hi John,You are correct. My overriding issue is how will I be able to cover my expenses with a decrease in revenues. I have been at this for 12 years now and my family has done this for 39 years. We started out with one location, then got into the after-school business and 6 years finally reached of point of being able to build a 10,000 sq ft new state of the art ECE Academy location for a total of 7 locations serving around 500 students across all off the locations with 45 staff. Our new center was designed for up to 22 students for each classroom 18 months to Age 5, and then our after-school program area for 26 students. Our Infant and Toddler classrooms were designed for up to 15 students. Each classroom was staffed based on the states ratios at the time for the different age groups and we stayed around 90% occupancy. Our tuition rates were from $210-$230 per week. Our tuition rates our at other location were $155-$160.00. That locations is licensed for 90 students and average 85 students. Our 5 after-school programs were each licensed for 48 students, stayed full and our rates there were $70.00 per week.During the last several years, every time the idea of reducing teacher to student ratios would come up at the state level or even national level, I would have to explain to those groups, that when you reduce a classroom ratio by one student, on average it increases the weekly cost for the remaining students by $30 each depending on the original class room ratio size. As a business person, I cannot absorb the loss of that revenue without either reducing by expenses for that group of kids or increasing the rates per kid for that classroom. It is pure economics 101. The other reason I am able to charge a lower rate at our original location is that the overhead costs are lower there. Everything is paid off at that location and has been paid for the past 30 years. It also requires fewer staff at that location to operate that center so our payroll is smaller.I am not opposed to lower classroom ratios if there is a way to pay us and make up the difference of the lost income and increased cost to provide the service by having to add more staff. To date no one has been able to or willing to give an answer to that. The current subsidy programs are flawed and have never reimbursed centers at 100% of their published rates, therefore the childcare center ends up taking a loss on every subsided kid and payments come two weeks after the service which makes cash flow an issue.For all of the people that have responded that the new ratios for Texas are now at the levels their states have been at, I would ask them how have they been able to make it financially with those ratios? What rates do you charge? Does your states subsidy program cover 100% of the fees? What are you paying your staff an do they get benefits? We here nationally that daycares for years have struggled to make it and the industry is on the brink of collapse. The reason we are here is that typically the people that get into the industry do so due to their love of kids and not their love of business. Therefore they make sacrifices and accept less for what they do. Profitable businesses don't due that. Also the people that advocate for young children and ECE also usually don't have any experience running a business much less a childcare business. There has to be a balance the love for children and good financial business practices in order the daycare industry to survive. There are two options. Accept the fact that if you are going to have low tuition rates, then you have to make up for that in volume of students, or subsidy that covers all of the other expenses. Or if you want low ratios, you have to charge higher tuition rates that actually match you cost of providing the service along with a profit. However you can have it both ways.As I have said before the new lower ratio standards for Texas are going to kill the daycares in our area. There is no current business model available that can make this sustainable over time. If anyone has a successful business model that does support these new standards and still allows the center to make a profit and pay its staff decent wages, please send it to me. I am at a loss as of what to do!
Kentucky just received our childcare guidelines this past week to begin reopening in mid June. Our group number is a max of 10 children per room (lower for infants). They are still working on an FAQ to come out with more detailed explanations.
My question is for those of you who have started reopening under your new guidelines and new ratios, do you feel these will be expanded with time or these will remain and be the new norm.
On May 28, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Carol Murray <email@example.com> wrote:
Yes- I did reach out to my licensor and she said groups size is same. 10 is a recommendation and not a license requirement. I am emailing her again now with that exact question. Much confusion in the state including with our licensers. Carol Sent from my iPhone