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Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

  • 1.  Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-09-2021 01:31 PM
    Hello Community!,
    What are your views in getting early childhood educators vaccinated?

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    Milagros Neu
    Pre-K -K Teacher
    Learning Pods
    Maplewood NJ
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  • 2.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-10-2021 08:42 AM
    I think that all early childhood educators should get vaccinated it will help reduce the  spread of Covid-19 and get us back to teaching and doing the actives with love to do with kids quicker.


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    Jenelle Pedersen
    Homer NY
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  • 3.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-10-2021 09:40 AM
    As a daycare provider, I believe educators should get the vaccine. Any child under the age of 12 years old whose not required to get the vaccine, can still come in contact with an older sibling or family member who hasn't been vaccinated,  in my opinion.  I rather be safe than sorry.

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    Patricia Stephens
    Director
    PBS Academy
    Missouri City TX
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  • 4.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-10-2021 10:10 AM
    Hi Milagros,
    Here in LA County we advocated hard to be in the early eligible group as essential workers.  Some of us have risked our health the entire time of the oandemic by keeping our onsite programs open without interruption.  Many worked through the roller coaster of unknowns and changing protocols as well as learning to care & teach through Zoom.  I feel that getting vaccinated is the respectful choice: respectful of the best available science, respectful of one's bodily needs, respectful of the health of one's family, respectful of the health of the unvaccinated children in our care, respectful of our program's community including fellow staff onsite as well as the children's families, respectful of the health of our wider community where we work and live, and, as I explained at the start, respectful of the time and effort colleagues in our sector have put in to advocate for vaccines to be readily available to us.  By respect I also mean care.  Care is our middle name :-)
    There's just a tiny percentage of people who, based on sound medical advice, would choose against vaccination and it's possible although unlikely within that tiny group there are actively working early care teachers.

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    Laila Taslimi
    founder
    Untitled No. 1
    Santa Monica CA
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  • 5.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-10-2021 10:20 AM
    Absolutely, 100%, how better to protect children who can't get the vaccine themselves.

    To hesitant people who think the vaccine was rushed and is too untested, vaccination is an old science we have been using for a very long time.  Edward Jenner is considered the founder of vaccinology. In 1796, he inoculated a 13 year-old-boy with vaccinia virus (cowpox), and demonstrated immunity to smallpox. In
    1798, the first smallpox vaccine was developed.
    We have the means to end this pandemic, we need the will.


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    Vicki Knauerhase M.Ed.
    Child Development Specialist (retired)
    Weston OH
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  • 6.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-10-2021 01:20 PM
    All teachers should be required to be vaccinated unless they have a medical condition that dictates otherwise documented by a doctor. I also think vaccination should be required of all children as the data now is beginning to show the efficacy of the COVID vaccines. Hopefully, by some time in September/October, children between 12 and 15 will be required to be vaccinated in order to go to school, and that soon after that, once the vaccine is permitted for the younger children, I hope it will be required just as many other vaccines are mandated.

    My grandchildren are 12 and older. They are vaccinated but they still wear masks under certain circumstances

    Just a point, the mask requirement, which should be mandatory, is not going away because so many have not been vaccinated (fear or misinformation???) that we cannot be certain that we are fully protected from the Delta variant. On the other hand, the data shows that if you are vaccinated and develop a breakthrough COVID virus, you almost certainly will not end up in the hospital or on a ventilator or dead.

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    Nora Krieger, PhD
    Associate Professor Emerita/Past Chair NJEEPRE
    Bloomfield College/NJ Educators Exploring the Practices of Reggio Emilia
    Highland Park, NJ
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  • 7.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-10-2021 08:38 PM
    Vaccinate, don't vaccinate, just DON'T mandate.

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    John Ramsey
    Preschool Teacher
    Cherry Log GA
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  • 8.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-12-2021 01:50 PM

    Since the onset of the latest surge in COVID nationwide due to the highly transmissible Delta variant, NAEYC has received requests from families and ECE professionals to provide recommendations or directives to NAEYC-accredited programs on COVID precautions.  

    NAEYC's vision is that all young children thrive and learn in a society dedicated to ensuring they reach their full potential. To that end, NAEYC encourages all providers to seek and follow current, science-based recommendations for maintaining healthy environments for children and staff in early education settings.  

    We at NAEYC look to the following trusted sources for COVID-related recommendations: 

    While NAEYC's Early Learning Program Accreditation system recognizes excellence in program practices. We urge all members, educators and early learning professionals to make practice decisions consistent with the NAEYC Code of Ethical Conduct for our profession. 

    We appreciate everyone's input into this discussion and hope to provide a space through Hello for early childhood professionals to discuss matters related to their work. For this community of members, there will be times of disagreement and agreement, throughout those times we encourage everyone to be mindful of how your voice affects others in this community. Please refer to our Code of Conduct as guidance. If there are ever any concerns about the nature of a post, please bring this forward by emailing hello@naeyc.org .



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    Mary Samour
    Online Community Manager
    National Association for the Education of Young Children
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  • 9.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-13-2021 03:13 AM
    NO! ABSOLUTELY NOT! MEDICAL FREEDOM! I will not be forced to vaccinate.

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    Dawn Davis
    Salem OR
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  • 10.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-13-2021 10:41 AM
    Not to simplify the ongoing debate over the COVID vaccine but as a private business providing early education to children the decision was made in early 2021 that our Center would require the vaccine in order to work as an early educator.  The immunization policy was written by the Center attorney to ensure that the Center was not in violation of any employment laws.   If you choose not to be vaccinated against COVID this Center is not the place for you to work.  As a side bar all the early educators that were here in early 2021 remain on staff today.

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    Luellen Matthews, MPA
    Director
    Arlington, VA
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  • 11.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-14-2021 02:02 PM
    Thank you to all of you who have shared your thoughts, policies, or state guidance. I would echo the importance of getting information from reputable, scientific sources rather than social media, general media, or anecdotal one-offs.  I would also encourage the view that this is a health crisis rather than an infringement of rights.

    I wanted to speak directly to the ongoing concern about the effects of the vaccine.  While it is true that we cannot know the effects several years down the road, one of the fundamental effects that we know is not a part of the vaccine is death. As the numbers climb and more cases, breakthrough or not, appear, the overwhelming majority (85% or greater in most areas) are in those who are unvaccinated, and the fatality rates are even greater when compared with the vaccinated. And yes, some vaccine recipients have suffered uncomfortable or unexpected side effects, but in Louisiana, for example, over two million doses have been administered, and only 8 people had serious complications, all of whom recovered from the effects without long-term consequences.  On the other hand, 11,000 people have died from COVID in our state and we are in the midst of a spike greater than at any time during the pandemic and still show less than a 40% vaccination rate state-wide.

    As several people have said, this should not be a political issue, and I fear that those who disagree politically are using this health crisis as a forum for airing discontent for other, non-related beefs.  At stake now is the safety and welfare of children.  Enough time has passed to see both the efficacy and safety of the vaccines, so the questions about the timeline of research, the uncertainty of the side effects, or the impact on disease spread are without merit. It is interesting that those who are speaking the loudest of freedom are so willing to put their neighbors' freedom in jeopardy. If you do not believe or trust in the governmental messaging, then it is your responsibility to seek information from those who know best.

    Obviously, the question of vaccinating vs. non-vaccinating is, for me, a non-question, but even if you are fervently on the other side, I could respect that decision if it were paired with personal responsibility.  You are free, as many say, to not take the vaccine, but you are not free to flaunt the mask mandates, cry foul when you are turned away from public places or employment opportunities, or choose to behave in a manner that puts others at risk. One should also not be surprised when the virus continues to spread unabated.  As we know all too well in my area, if the overtopping of the levees is not controlled, no one should be shocked when Lake Ponchartrain ends up in your yard! The bottom line is that private businesses are free to make decisions that will best serve their communities and none of these decisions are made easily!  Governmental bodies are also authorized to make decisions for the greater good based on reliable scientific information from those far more qualified than any of us or any of them. Even if citizens disagree, acting in the interest of the greater good is part of the covenant that we assume as a member of a community.

    Mask up. Be smart. Choose your information with discernment.

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    Holly Dalferes
    Metairie LA
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  • 12.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-14-2021 08:00 PM
    As an early childhood educator in a private school we remained mask-free for all of our children last year (although teachers were masked). One of our friend's young adult son was afflicted with myocarditis and had a heart transplant following his vaccine. My SIL is still on steroids because she has a severe case of a pharmaceutical induced skin infection following her vaccine and someone else suffered a miscarriage following her vaccine. I'm not anti-vac, I'm just concerned when things stop making sense. I had covid last year and have been tested for antibodies which I have. So I remain on the side of- do not mandate.

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    Kristine Rotella
    teacher
    Wyckoff Christian Preschool
    Kinnelon NJ
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  • 13.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-16-2021 01:22 AM
    Maybe off-topic?

    I've always believed that any course of medical treatment a person decides on should be a decision made between that patient and his or her medical provider. Neither politicians, the media, nor famous people should even try to have the influence they currently have when it comes to our health and safety. It isn't their arena.

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    Lindsay
    Billings, MT
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  • 14.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-16-2021 10:14 AM
    Would anyone from this community be willing to share their current covid/pandemic and/or vaccination policies?  Regardless of your stance on the issue?  It would be so great to share examples and offer an opportunity to help everyone improve their own policies.

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    Sarah Garczynski
    Salem OR
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  • 15.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-16-2021 01:41 PM

    Hello,

    NAEYC staff have been following the recent threads on COVID-related discussion carefully and would like to remind our members and participants in HELLO that while we encourage lively and even passionate debate between members, this forum is expected to be civil. Political discussions are not allowed on HELLO and these recent COVID-related discussions have demonstrated the need for expanded guidelines about what is and is not allowed on this platform.

    The focus of this list is discussion and dialogue around specific topics in early education. While these discussions clearly impact and influence early childhood education, this is not a forum to argue about science, and NAEYC staff are not expert scientists with the capacity to review each and every post for what constitutes misinformation. We look to the following trusted sources for COVID-related recommendations: 

    With respect to COVID-related discussion on HELLO, which includes masking and vaccines, we are adding the following guidelines:   

    • People MAY express their views, questions, concerns, agreements, disagreements about what our federal, state, and local governments, school districts, and programs are planning, considering, implementing to ensure a safe early education experience for students, teachers and staff.
    • People MAY NOT post negative or positive comments directly about the science behind the vaccines, masks, etc. 

    Those who want to debate the science itself with decision-makers can and are encouraged to express their views with them directly but not on HELLO; those who want to debate the impact of policies on educators, families, and students are welcome to do so here. We realize this can be a difficult line to follow, but are attempting to be fair and not shut down important discussions between members.

    Again, from our organizational perspective, we urge all members, educators, and early learning professionals to make practice decisions consistent with the public health expertise and guidelines of the CDC and the AAP, and in keeping with the NAEYC Code of Ethical Conduct for our profession, and we appreciate the robust discussion and passion of the early childhood educators in our communities.

    Thank you,



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    Mary Samour
    Online Community Manager
    National Association for the Education of Young Children
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  • 16.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-10-2021 10:24 AM
    Leila,

    Thank you for sharing.  I hate to say this, but when our children started getting the virus or worst, die then our governor, etc. Will begin to see how important it is to get  the vaccine. I'm in Texas and Hospitals in Houston is full and tents are located on the outside of the hospital.  And, still some people say it's a hoax. All I can say, is take plenty pictures of your children and love ones just in case. Again, just my opinion

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    Patricia Stephens
    Director
    PBS Academy
    Missouri City TX
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  • 17.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-11-2021 12:28 PM
    Laila,

    Thank you for your comment...as a  daycare provider, I echo with you. I  had both vaccine not just for me and my family,  but to help protect the children in my care. I have parents who are nurses  who quit or retired from the hospital.  Why, because the more they pushed the vaccine to their patients,  the more the patients pushed back. This may sound cold, but God did say he's going home to prepare a place for us, and if I go...I will return.

    With that said,  stop preaching to them and let God do his thing, in my opinion. I applauded all people in the medical field to keep up the good work,  I pray for each and everyone of you daily. Remember God got this...take care and God bless.

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    Patricia Stephens
    Director
    PBS Academy
    Missouri City TX
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  • 18.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-11-2021 12:35 PM
    Vicki,
    I agree with you.  I take the flu shot every year..just in case I get the flu...it want effect me as much. I took both vaccine after my 24 year old niece died from covid.  That was in July 2020..just think how bad things are now with delta virus? I will continue to pray for good people like you and others who care about everyone especially our children.  God can stop this but why...the world is in a bad place right now. And, God isn't happy in my opinion.

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    Patricia Stephens
    Director
    PBS Academy
    Missouri City TX
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  • 19.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-11-2021 09:32 AM
    John Jeffrey Ramsey:

    Why would you be against mandating vaccination? Of course, as with all vaccinations, some are exempt because of medical conditions but I do not understand your position.

    Do you feel the same way about masks?

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    Nora Krieger, PhD
    Associate Professor Emerita/Past Chair NJEEPRE
    Bloomfield College/NJ Educators Exploring the Practices of Reggio Emilia
    Highland Park, NJ
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  • 20.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-13-2021 02:59 AM
    Exactly 💯 #freedom ​

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    Dawn Davis
    Salem OR
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  • 21.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-11-2021 11:03 AM
    I also agree that it should not be mandated. One of the biggest things people enjoy in this country is the freedom of choice. If we force people who are not comfortable to be injected with something, our freedom is lost. There are no mandates on any other vaccine currently out there, likely for this reason among others.

    As for your question regarding masks, yes that has been mandated, but it hasn't really been enforced has it? People are walking into buildings unmasked all the time and no one is asking for their vaccination papers, because that violated HIPPA, and I doubt businesses like grocery and department stores want to put their employees into such a confrontational situation.

    Vicki, you mentioned that we have had vaccines for many years and while that is true, the process used to create this particular vaccine was not the same. Similarly, the information we are provided regarding the vaccine is only the information that the governing bodies pushing the vaccine want us to know. There have been many negative effects experienced by those who received the vaccine. We should not require a person to subject themselves to that just because there is not yet any obvious medical reason not to. We also have no idea what the side effects will be in years to come. There are side effects to well used vaccines, as well, so something as new as this is likely to have unforeseen consequences.

    Nora, you mentioned the Delta variant, but it has already been established that the current vaccines do not protect against that strain anyway.

    Though I do not want to get strongly political, what I will say is that we have to remember that the Federal government is a corporation. Corporations sell ideas and products and this particularly entity especially does so to create the society they desire. That goes beyond us being healthy and safe. Whether or not you "trust" the government and all they tell you, at the end of the day, it is not the way of this country to require specific lifestyle choices. They can convince you, sure, but they can't force you. If they try to force anything, vaccines or otherwise, many people will rebel under the banner of freedom of choice and it would be their right to do so.

    Some of you may scoff at this and it is okay that you have chosen to accept what is being sold to you, but you cannot expect everyone to feel the same way that you do. That is not how our society works, though I understand there are people who believe it should. We have already established this with religious and cultural affiliations. However, if you are the type of person who believes everyone should be exactly like you, child care may not be the field for you, as children and families have many differences that should all be respected. This, too, has also been well established.

    As is probably clear, to answer the original question, it should be up to the child care professional to make that decision for themselves and they shouldn't have to share whether or not they have and why or why not with anyone, unless they so choose. When is the last time you asked someone if they were vaccinated for polio or smallpox? If they got their tetanus shot? We do not ask the educators caring for our children these questions, likely because these are not as large a point of concern as COVID-19 is right now, but they once were and I highly doubt every single person in the country received those vaccines when it was rampant and yet, we don't see it anymore now, or at least not often. My point is, if we do ask about vaccines, then we do not ask about vaccines, period. It's not really any of our business what other people are choosing to do with their bodies. I suppose that is a whole other conversation, though, as that is a topic that has been struggled with among civilians for decades, especially in regard to women.

    Thank you to Milagros for asking the question and to all of you for having a discussion.

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    Samantha Edwards
    Training Specialist
    ACCESS
    Dearborn MI
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  • 22.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-11-2021 11:48 AM
    Dear Samantha:

    I am going to address your thoughts and questions mainly  inside of your response.

    Just to let you know in advance, I am old enough to have had to take the Smallpox vaccination back in the day because Smallpox was not eradicated from the world at that time. I could not travel without a Smallpox vaccination. Vaccination has eliminated this terrible disfiguring disease from the world. As for Polio, I was a participant in the experiment to test the efficacy of the Polio vaccine. My parents and over 54,000 or so other parents clamored to get their children vaccinated against Polio in the trial because children were dying and becoming permanently paralyzed from the disease. I remember the fear that my parents had about this disease. Polio is not fully eradicated the way that Smallpox is, and Polio vaccination is required for children - mandated - along with many other vaccinations in order to attend public school and daycare/early childhood centers, at least I know that is the case in NY and NJ.

    Another interesting story for you to mull over is the story of my doctor who contracted Polio at age 4 just prior to the development of the vaccine. She ended up in an iron lung and was never able to use her legs again. She attended medical school in a wheelchair and whizzed around the hospital in it. But the upshot is that the disease - the Polio - ultimately killed her because the damage to the lungs they found reasserts itself. In her 30s, she died from an asthma attack related to her earlier Polio illness.

    And, yes, you are right, though that there is always a risk with everything we do or don't do.

    Nora, you mentioned the Delta variant, but it has already been established that the current vaccines do not protect against that strain anyway.

    I do a lot of reading about the Delta variant and I listen to the doctors and scientists who are urging all of us for the sake of all of us to get the vaccine. I have seen the statistics of those coming down with the Delta variant and nearly 100% of those who become infected have not been vaccinated, and those who have a breakthrough infection have been in close quarters with those who are unvaccinated and perhaps not wearing masks. The statistics also show that if you if you are vaccinated, the chances of ending up in the hospital or worse dying are extremely low, less than 1%. Also, many of those who somehow contract the Delta variant and were vaccinated often have underlying medical conditions, which means their immune response is lower.

    Though I do not want to get strongly political, what I will say is that we have to remember that the Federal government is a corporation. Corporations sell ideas and products and this particularly entity especially does so to create the society they desire. That goes beyond us being healthy and safe. Whether or not you "trust" the government and all they tell you, at the end of the day, it is not the way of this country to require specific lifestyle choices. They can convince you, sure, but they can't force you. If they try to force anything, vaccines or otherwise, many people will rebel under the banner of freedom of choice and it would be their right to do so.

    Clearly, you do not trust the science and think that you are being sold something that may kill you. Are there side effects to vaccines? Yes, there are - even to the flu shot. This is not about trusting the government - even the Trump administration was pushing for this vaccine and he took it as soon as he could after he became ill enough to end up in the hospital. This is about science. Over 600,000 Americans have died from Covid.

    Some of you may scoff at this and it is okay that you have chosen to accept what is being sold to you, but you cannot expect everyone to feel the same way that you do. That is not how our society works, though I understand there are people who believe it should. We have already established this with religious and cultural affiliations. However, if you are the type of person who believes everyone should be exactly like you, child care may not be the field for you, as children and families have many differences that should all be respected. This, too, has also been well established.

    This is not about being sold a "bill of goods" by the government or wanting "everyone to feel the same way" I do. And, clearly, everyone does not feel the same way I do. Your response is an example of that. And that is fine.

    There are exemptions for vaccines on religious grounds, not cultural affiliations. There are exemptions to having to get vaccinations on medical grounds - not all people should be vaccinated. It depends on their medical status.

    I think you got a little too political here.Taking a vaccine has nothing to do with believing that everyone should be "like me" and I resent your implication. I think that you should think about your stand and its implications for the end of this Pandemic or at least getting it to the level where it is more like the flu.  I respect the cultural backgrounds of the families that attended the early childhood center in which I was a Director, a center that was incredibly diverse culturally, religiously, and racially, but we followed the rules for NJ, which required all children in order to attend our center to be vaccinated against a variety of diseases unless they had a religious or medical exemption. I also know that some of the families used the religious exemptions "illegally" to prevent their children from being vaccinated - they were not a part of a religious group that promoted that belief but I was not able to question the request for exemption.

    I think your stand sounds more political than science-based. I wish you luck. I hope that at the very least, you are mandating masks so that everyone who comes into your center has some protection.

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    Nora Krieger, PhD
    Associate Professor Emerita/Past Chair NJEEPRE
    Bloomfield College/NJ Educators Exploring the Practices of Reggio Emilia
    Highland Park, NJ
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  • 23.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-11-2021 12:45 PM
    Well actually there are limits on our freedom of choice; we don't have the freedom to choose to hurt other people in life-threatening ways, although of course we all do this to some degree daily since it's always been this way - put others down as the only we see way to elevate ourselves (the myth of the zero sum game).  But this doesn't mean we shouldn't be finding ways as a society to be less harmful to one another.

    We (dominant white folks) can learn from cultures that survive by and are satisfied to be giving what their community needs to do well.  "American" freedom of choice can become a dangerous weapon in the hands of self-serving individuals.  We're learning this the hard way.  But we can do better!

    re: vaccine mandates in general, to work in this field we are already mandated to get a couple of specific vaccines, so some believe the COVID vaccine would be ok to add to that list.  No one has advocated for preventing legitimate medical disabilities to exempt a person.

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    Laila Taslimi
    founder
    Untitled No. 1
    Santa Monica CA
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  • 24.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-12-2021 09:44 AM

    This is such a controversial topic. I am affiliated with a University and they are requiring employees to be vaccinated, but then there are three different exemptions, so really they aren't. I don't think it's a HIPAA violation to ask people if they're vaccinated. I think that's usually refers to a doctor sharing your medical information . And one of the big reasons we don't see smallpox or polio, is that people DID get vaccinated against those diseases. They didn't just vanished by themselves.
    I know for me a big concern is the Delta variant.  We didn't do home visits last year, but that's the direction we're headed so far. I am uncomfortable going into homes, especially since I take care of my elderly mother every weekend, & I don't want to expose her to any illness.  I understand I can still get Covid, even after being vaccinated, I'm less likely to be hospitalized or die. 



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    Sonia Jackson
    La Grande OR
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  • 25.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-13-2021 03:01 AM
    Yes!! You are so right! #Freedom ​

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    Dawn Davis
    Salem OR
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  • 26.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-13-2021 03:04 AM
    Its funny to me cause vaccine for "diseases" you say alot but FYI covid is a virus that is why vaccine that are created to treat disease won't work. Also flu shot is the flu dead. Covid vaccine is made of lipids that should not enter human DNA

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    Dawn Davis
    Salem OR
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  • 27.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-13-2021 09:18 AM
    Dr. Krieger, I appreciate your well-thought-out response. If so many people refuse to get vaccinated, there is a good chance we could see an even more dangerous variant arise. This is about science. The virus doesn't care about politics.  It's just looking for hosts so it can replicate.

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    Cathy McAuliffe, PhD
    Adjunct Professor
    NorthWest Arkansas Community College
    Bentonville, Arkansas
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  • 28.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-12-2021 02:21 AM
    I have not yet read all the responses re mask and vaccine use/mandates but I find some responses surprising from members of a profession that cares about children and families.

    THIS IS SARCASM:
    I own a car so I have freedom and a RIGHT to drive a car with no government interference.  Therefore, I will no longer renew my driver's license.  I will no longer fasten a seat belt.  I may find keeping my car in safe-to-drive condition just too much trouble.  I will drive wherever and whenever I want to drive and ignore all road and weather conditions.  I will ignore all speed limits and stop signs.  I will drive through traffic lights if seems safe to ME.  I will talk on the phone and/or eat and drink while I drive.  I will have a passenger to have someone to talk with as I drive and, because it is polite in a conversation, I will frequently turn my head to face my passenger as we talk.  Would you like to be my passenger?  Or drive yourself in my vicinity?

    THESE ARE MEMORIES:  When I was an infant one or more of my older siblings were diagnosed with scarlet fever.  Our house had an official sign on the front door warning others we were quarantined.  My father had to move out of the house so he could go to work.  We had groceries delivered to our doorstep and only when the deliverer left, could a member of my family go out to bring in the groceries.  Yes, I am OLD!

    I had "red measles" as a very young child and remember hating to be kept in a dark room while I recovered because those measles and normal lighting in a room could harm your eyes.  I had the "other" measles as a teenager.  I had been at a party and when I came home I told my parents a friend had to call her parents and go home from the party because she broke out with those measles.  My parents told me to go look in the mirror.  Yes, I along with many others were out of school for the required time.  I had the chicken pox in first grade and did not like having to stay home on the day of our Valentine's Day Party.  No valentines for me that year.  I remember when many of my classmates in third or fourth grade were out of school because they had whooping cough.  Yes, I did get a smallpox vaccination for many years.  I remember needing to have an up-to-date smallpox vaccination to travel out of our country and return.  I remember our local swimming pool was closed due to polio.  When I was in college, there was a requirement to spend a couple of days in places unfamiliar to me for observation and participation in programs for children.  I chose a children's hospital for one day and still remember two siblings with polio and both in iron lungs.  During my early days of teaching I was delighted to line up with others in my community on a weekend to get our sugar cube polio vaccinations.  I have known others for whom the vaccine came too late.

    I used to tell my college students that what I said and what they would read might be out-of-date in the future and they would need to "keep up" with newly discovered information.  My favorite example was to say I was so old I remembered learning in early school days that there were 92 elements.  I remember later learning there were 96 and then 98 and by the time I was in college chemistry classes, the periodic table listed 106 elements.  How many are there now?  Using scientific methods can help us learn new things and it may be beneficial to us and others to use current science information to live better lives or even to live at all.


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    Kathryn Miller
    Ames IA
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  • 29.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-12-2021 08:05 AM
    You do realize the smallpox, polio, etc were not viruses like the Covid / Delta that's how we could eradicate them through vaccines. The Covid / Delta is a virus similar to the flu it morphs itself, we are not going to be able to take an immunization and be one, two or three and done like we did for those diseases. We will have to continue to take shots just like we do for the flu, pneumonia, etc.

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    Paula
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  • 30.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-11-2021 12:10 PM
    Thank you for your thorough response and information. I appreciate you taking the time to share. I also apologize if I offended you, or anyone, it was not my intention.

    You are quite right that I am untrusting and my stand is somewhat political. I find do not believe "the science" to be wholly separate from politics, both at a government level and a societal one. I do, however, feel that I my statements were still my own beliefs, rather than anything about the politics specifically.

    I also want to be clear that I did not state I believe the vaccine will kill me, necessarily, I simply stated that there are known and unknown effects with which I personally am not comfortable. I also did not state that taking the vaccine is related to wanting others to view the world the same way you do, rather the belief that everyone should have to.

    Your examples of the families "illegally" using religious affiliations appears to me to be exactly what I am talking about when I say that people do not want to be forced into something. They felt they had to lie, because they did not feel comfortable vaccinating their children, but they felt they would be forced to otherwise.

    There is so much more I could say, but as you have stated, it can be too political and this is not necessarily the place for that. Still, the question was asked and I also wanted to acknowledge that I saw your post and read it multiple times. Thank you again.

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    Samantha Edwards
    Training Specialist
    ACCESS
    Dearborn MI
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  • 31.  RE: Your Thoughts On Teachers Vaccinations

    Posted 08-11-2021 02:00 PM